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	<title>Comments on: Tanner&#8217;s First Seizure (Here)</title>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
		<link>http://SheltieTales.com/2009/02/14/tanners-first-seizure-here/comment-page-1/#comment-48960</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend will use cold water to bring her poodle out of a seizure,  but the relief is not permenant unfortunately, but it is a good mitigation technique for a seizure that lasts 15minutes+. And it helps her (my friend) relax some too to see the trick sooth the dog for just a little bit.&#160;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend will use cold water to bring her poodle out of a seizure,  but the relief is not permenant unfortunately, but it is a good mitigation technique for a seizure that lasts 15minutes+. And it helps her (my friend) relax some too to see the trick sooth the dog for just a little bit.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Kylie K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kylie K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only time I&#039;ve ever seen a seizure is my parents dog, Oliver. Very scary to me. I&#039;m glad you knew what do to. And I hope he&#039;s still doing well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only time I&#8217;ve ever seen a seizure is my parents dog, Oliver. Very scary to me. I&#8217;m glad you knew what do to. And I hope he&#8217;s still doing well!</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Gourley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Gourley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve a seizure story that may provide some comfort for those of you with animals that seizure. Darlin&#039; was a border collie. At 5 years old, she suffered her first gran mal, that is, the first we witnessed. The vet put her on phenobarb. but that nearly killed her. She was seizuring even more. In doing additional tests, he discovered that her liver was undeveloped. She simply could not metabolize chemicals from prepared dog food or even the chemicals her own body produced when she was stressed - like doing a thunderstorm.  He had us put her on a kidney diet. Her kidneys were functioning just fine, but the food apparently was easier for her to metabolize. As the vet put it, she had to become a vegetarian. Not even dog treats. We&#039;d take a can of the K-D and slice into tiny pieces, spread them on an aluminum foiled covered cookie sheet and baked them. We called these treats &quot;crispy critters.&quot;  She LOVED them.  Darlin still seizured but not as frequently, definitely not as frequently. The diet helped tremendously.

Darlin lived until 14! Nine years on K-D made me a believer.

I do think there is a link between liver function and seizures. I have two Shelties now and Rob has begun in his older age (he&#039;s 10) to suffer petit mals. Just as described in Tanner&#039;s case, he starts/startles and then goes into the cramped position. I know the seizure is ending when he begins to shiver. During the seizure I massaged his back along the spine. He comes out of it quickly and is, as described above, alert.

But here&#039;s the common denominator between Robbie and Darlin&#039; - the LIVER.  Rob has a very low functioning liver and takes a pill for it.  I&#039;m considering putting him on K-D. My vet had me try I-D (indigestion diet) and Rob&#039;s seizures are very infrequently, making once every two or three months.

So those of you with dogs who may have this symptom of seizure, ask your vet to look at their liver.

Cathy

I now have a sheltie named Robbie. He</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve a seizure story that may provide some comfort for those of you with animals that seizure. Darlin&#8217; was a border collie. At 5 years old, she suffered her first gran mal, that is, the first we witnessed. The vet put her on phenobarb. but that nearly killed her. She was seizuring even more. In doing additional tests, he discovered that her liver was undeveloped. She simply could not metabolize chemicals from prepared dog food or even the chemicals her own body produced when she was stressed &#8211; like doing a thunderstorm.  He had us put her on a kidney diet. Her kidneys were functioning just fine, but the food apparently was easier for her to metabolize. As the vet put it, she had to become a vegetarian. Not even dog treats. We&#8217;d take a can of the K-D and slice into tiny pieces, spread them on an aluminum foiled covered cookie sheet and baked them. We called these treats &#8220;crispy critters.&#8221;  She LOVED them.  Darlin still seizured but not as frequently, definitely not as frequently. The diet helped tremendously.</p>
<p>Darlin lived until 14! Nine years on K-D made me a believer.</p>
<p>I do think there is a link between liver function and seizures. I have two Shelties now and Rob has begun in his older age (he&#8217;s 10) to suffer petit mals. Just as described in Tanner&#8217;s case, he starts/startles and then goes into the cramped position. I know the seizure is ending when he begins to shiver. During the seizure I massaged his back along the spine. He comes out of it quickly and is, as described above, alert.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the common denominator between Robbie and Darlin&#8217; &#8211; the LIVER.  Rob has a very low functioning liver and takes a pill for it.  I&#8217;m considering putting him on K-D. My vet had me try I-D (indigestion diet) and Rob&#8217;s seizures are very infrequently, making once every two or three months.</p>
<p>So those of you with dogs who may have this symptom of seizure, ask your vet to look at their liver.</p>
<p>Cathy</p>
<p>I now have a sheltie named Robbie. He</p>
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		<title>By: Faxless Payday Loans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faxless Payday Loans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a beautiful dog I am so sorry about the seizure i hope Tanner gets better and never has to go through them again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a beautiful dog I am so sorry about the seizure i hope Tanner gets better and never has to go through them again.</p>
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		<title>By: SheltieJim</title>
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		<dc:creator>SheltieJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawn, thanks for sharing Bonnie&#039;s story with us. 

I know exactly what you mean about bracing yourself for a seizure. 

My first Sheltie, OTCh Merlin, was about 11½ years old. One day, I was getting dressed to go to work (back in the bad old days when I had to go to an office) and Merlin was standing with me, as usual, in my closet. When I&#039;d grabbed a shirt, I said &quot;OK, let&#039;s go&quot; and he didn&#039;t move. OK, maybe he didn&#039;t hear me, so I said it again. Nothing. He was frozen. No eye movement, no ear twitches, nothing. Completely unresponsive. 

I knew right then that my precious boy, my best friend in the world, my obedience partner, was dead. Sure, he was still breathing, and in fewer than 10 seconds, he was alert and hadn&#039;t a clue that anything had happened. But I knew that it was a cataleptic seizure and that something very, very wrong was going on. 

I found a vet up in Denver (I lived in Colorado Springs at the time) who was both knowledgeable about canine neurology and sensitive to my own emotional situation. (My own local vet responded to my urgent phone call with &quot;Well, what do you want us to do?&quot; I fired them on the spot!) My new vet did everything humanly possible, but Merlin started having &lt;em&gt;grand mal&lt;/em&gt; seizures, more and more violent, more and more frequently. Phenobarbitol was not helping and we were at the maximum dose. 

It was obvious to Roger (the vet) that Merlin had a serious brain tumor, almost certainly inoperable, and he scheduled an MRI — back then, 20-odd years ago, that meant bribing some technician at a hospital that had an MRI machine to let us sneak in about 4:00 AM. But we never managed to get that scan done. Three days after Merlin&#039;s 12th birthday, I had to let him go. The seizures were taking so much out of him that I knew he wouldn&#039;t &quot;be&quot; Merlin for much longer. 

For years after that, every time one of my Shelties failed to respond &lt;em&gt;instantly&lt;/em&gt; to me, I broke down and cried. I just knew that it was happening again. 

But, several years ago, we got our first seizure dog in rescue, and I&#039;ve learned a lot more about dealing with the situation. But it&#039;s still heartbreaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn, thanks for sharing Bonnie&#8217;s story with us. </p>
<p>I know exactly what you mean about bracing yourself for a seizure. </p>
<p>My first Sheltie, OTCh Merlin, was about 11½ years old. One day, I was getting dressed to go to work (back in the bad old days when I had to go to an office) and Merlin was standing with me, as usual, in my closet. When I&#8217;d grabbed a shirt, I said &#8220;OK, let&#8217;s go&#8221; and he didn&#8217;t move. OK, maybe he didn&#8217;t hear me, so I said it again. Nothing. He was frozen. No eye movement, no ear twitches, nothing. Completely unresponsive. </p>
<p>I knew right then that my precious boy, my best friend in the world, my obedience partner, was dead. Sure, he was still breathing, and in fewer than 10 seconds, he was alert and hadn&#8217;t a clue that anything had happened. But I knew that it was a cataleptic seizure and that something very, very wrong was going on. </p>
<p>I found a vet up in Denver (I lived in Colorado Springs at the time) who was both knowledgeable about canine neurology and sensitive to my own emotional situation. (My own local vet responded to my urgent phone call with &#8220;Well, what do you want us to do?&#8221; I fired them on the spot!) My new vet did everything humanly possible, but Merlin started having <em>grand mal</em> seizures, more and more violent, more and more frequently. Phenobarbitol was not helping and we were at the maximum dose. </p>
<p>It was obvious to Roger (the vet) that Merlin had a serious brain tumor, almost certainly inoperable, and he scheduled an MRI — back then, 20-odd years ago, that meant bribing some technician at a hospital that had an MRI machine to let us sneak in about 4:00 AM. But we never managed to get that scan done. Three days after Merlin&#8217;s 12th birthday, I had to let him go. The seizures were taking so much out of him that I knew he wouldn&#8217;t &#8220;be&#8221; Merlin for much longer. </p>
<p>For years after that, every time one of my Shelties failed to respond <em>instantly</em> to me, I broke down and cried. I just knew that it was happening again. </p>
<p>But, several years ago, we got our first seizure dog in rescue, and I&#8217;ve learned a lot more about dealing with the situation. But it&#8217;s still heartbreaking.</p>
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		<title>By: SheltieJim</title>
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		<dc:creator>SheltieJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Cindy, I know you miss Molly. She was a great girl and I know you miss her. Every now and then, I stumble across that photo you sent me of Merlin, Ellie, and Candy sitting in front of your apartment, and it really makes me feel good. Merlin and Candy sure spent a lot of time together at shows and trials!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Cindy, I know you miss Molly. She was a great girl and I know you miss her. Every now and then, I stumble across that photo you sent me of Merlin, Ellie, and Candy sitting in front of your apartment, and it really makes me feel good. Merlin and Candy sure spent a lot of time together at shows and trials!</p>
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		<title>By: SheltieJim</title>
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		<dc:creator>SheltieJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julene (Harleysmom to the rest of you), you&#039;re absolutely right. As much experience as I flatter myself that I&#039;ve had, there&#039;s an infinite amount still left to learn.  And I value your experience greatly...you&#039;ve been heavily involved in Shelties for a goodly time and have seen just about everything. Hey, might this be a good subject for an educational presentation at a Sheltie club meeting some time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julene (Harleysmom to the rest of you), you&#8217;re absolutely right. As much experience as I flatter myself that I&#8217;ve had, there&#8217;s an infinite amount still left to learn.  And I value your experience greatly&#8230;you&#8217;ve been heavily involved in Shelties for a goodly time and have seen just about everything. Hey, might this be a good subject for an educational presentation at a Sheltie club meeting some time?</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,
Molly had alot of seizures her last few years.  She always came out of them alert and ready to go again, no fogginess or weakness at all.  The seizure that she died from was the longest one she had ever had and the worst, I knew immediately that she would not survive that one.  Molly had a liver ailment and expereinced alot of muscle weakness in her last few weeks.  Don&#039;t know if that helps much.  I still miss Molly she was a sheltie at heart, someone forgot to tell her she was a border collie or perhaps Candy told her she was a sheltie.
Cin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
Molly had alot of seizures her last few years.  She always came out of them alert and ready to go again, no fogginess or weakness at all.  The seizure that she died from was the longest one she had ever had and the worst, I knew immediately that she would not survive that one.  Molly had a liver ailment and expereinced alot of muscle weakness in her last few weeks.  Don&#8217;t know if that helps much.  I still miss Molly she was a sheltie at heart, someone forgot to tell her she was a border collie or perhaps Candy told her she was a sheltie.<br />
Cin</p>
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		<title>By: the three dog blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>the three dog blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tanner is definitely lovely.

Strange he seemd to come around instantly. Our Dog that used to have similar episodes was always out of it for a while afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanner is definitely lovely.</p>
<p>Strange he seemd to come around instantly. Our Dog that used to have similar episodes was always out of it for a while afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Harleysmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harleysmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,
It might be prudent for us to educate ourselves on the types of seizures there are and most particularly in people to help us recognize the types of seizures in dogs.  I believe Rusty has what would be categorized as &quot;partial complex&quot; type of seizure which in people would look like staring, lip smacking, picking at one&#039;s own clothes while doing the other described things.  This can help find the right medication or treatment for the dogs just as it does for people.  In Rusty&#039;s case, after doing some research, he is fed a kidney diet food which manages his seizures quite well.  His kidney values are fine, but there is a study on this and I certainly found it to be the case for Rusty Bear that the kidney diet was very effective in helping control his seizures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
It might be prudent for us to educate ourselves on the types of seizures there are and most particularly in people to help us recognize the types of seizures in dogs.  I believe Rusty has what would be categorized as &#8220;partial complex&#8221; type of seizure which in people would look like staring, lip smacking, picking at one&#8217;s own clothes while doing the other described things.  This can help find the right medication or treatment for the dogs just as it does for people.  In Rusty&#8217;s case, after doing some research, he is fed a kidney diet food which manages his seizures quite well.  His kidney values are fine, but there is a study on this and I certainly found it to be the case for Rusty Bear that the kidney diet was very effective in helping control his seizures.</p>
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